Leftishut Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Since we are building from scratch I want the best reasonable suspension capable of handle moderate forest roads and the like, but mostly paved surface. So far we are leaning 2 x 7,000lb (or 8,000 if available) dexter torsion with disc brakes. I would like shocks on them as well if possible. But I have seen dexter make small torsion not connected by a shaft going to the other side. It seem like they would offer and independent style suspension. Are they not as good? Only used for weird trailer like boat trailers or something? Why aren't they used a lot? (money is an object to us, but. We are ok paying a bit to do it once right) are leaf spring better in any way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 The MOR/ryde IS independent suspension is a better choice. The IS has 5" of wheel travel compares to the 3" of the torsion suspension. Independent suspension is superior to leaf springs. No matter what system, any action in one wheel is transferred to all the other axles/wheels through the shackles. Quote Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mark and Dale Bruss said: The MOR/ryde IS independent suspension is a better choice. The IS has 5" of wheel travel compares to the 3" of the torsion suspension. Independent suspension is superior to leaf springs. No matter what system, any action in one wheel is transferred to all the other axles/wheels through the shackles. Those look nice. I read an article about a customer who loves them but he did mention a sway which is the nature of the beast. Sway to a beyond novice to towing, sounds worse than bumpy ride. Or is normal to adjust to it? is that system what most consider the best if you can afford it? ( we have the advantage of buying one i.e. Not having to throw away a paid for system like normal upgrades) i have heard they need to be disigned to the specific trailer and need to do the install. I will check into that. Would make it impossible. The last problem I see is parts. Dexters are common and can be ordered in the middle of nowhere but in this system the rubber spring part seems like it would be a special order part. Edited October 20, 2017 by Leftishut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Never noticed sway. I have a 40' Travel Supreme fifth-wheel. The comfort was going over railroad tracks and watching the wheels step over them one at a time without the trailer bouncing around. I managed to damage a rubber spring once. The part arrived from MOR/ryde in two days. I doubt if you will find torsion parts that quick. The MOR/ryde hubs and brakes are standard Dexter. Quote Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 How hard was that spring to replace? Shop or on your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Found a breakdown on a blog don't know how old. Not cheap but it seems like a great system. And if you say most components are dexter, price difference would only change in the suspension category. Two dexter 8,000lbs would be a ton cheaper would they? Cost breakdown: Brake Parts: $2000 Suspension Parts: $1900 Wheels: $850 Tires: $770 Labor: $1500 Total w/ tax, shop fees and such: $7700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Leftishut said: How hard was that spring to replace? Shop or on your own? I did it myself. Quote Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) We just replaced four of the IS packs on a customers trailer. It took two guys two hours. It will be faster next time. That was in a shop with proper tools. We replaced one of mine in a campground with a service truck. That took a little longer than an hour. Probably closer to two by the time we jacked the rig up, pulled in a slide, etc. Edited October 21, 2017 by Jack Mayer Quote Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Is that spring piece something in production for other uses, or is it a unique design for this use only? My only worry is that if this company ever goes out of business every other part could be repaired by a metal shop or auto parts store but the spring looks like is would be a custom piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlcarsonak Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 I have Dexter torsion. 3 x 6000 The three makes for a softer ride while caring the same weight. DO NOT get replaceable spindles. I have replaced the rear twice and the front once in 2.5 years. I went back with nonreplicable spindle. Quote Glyn (KL0PG) & Diane Carson2002 I-H 4400 Papa's Dream (Mama's Nightmare)2015 Space Craft V400Furkid Maxemail: dlcarsonak@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 10/22/2017 at 2:53 PM, dlcarsonak said: I have Dexter torsion. 3 x 6000 The three makes for a softer ride while caring the same weight. DO NOT get replaceable spindles. I have replaced the rear twice and the front once in 2.5 years. I went back with nonreplicable spindle. Good to know. I was looking into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis M Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just had the MorRyde IRS installed on our Newmar in July. A bit pricy, but well well worth the money. We have towed about 5k miles since install and really happy with the result. Added a bit of weight to the trailer, but we went from two 9k sprung axles to two 10k IRS, so we gained capacity. Quote Dennis & NancyTucson, AZ in winter, on the road in summer.1999 Volvo 610 "Bud" 425 HP Volvo, Super 10 spd.2005 Mountain Aire 35 BLKS2013 smart fortwo CityFlame riding on Bud(Replaced '05 smart first loaded in '06 and '11 smart that gave it's life to save me!)Our Travel Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 10k I/S or 3 7k I/S? Which would be better. Just thought I would throw a wrench in this discussion. I thinking on an upgrade down the road and pondering this Quote 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Moryde seems to stand out as favorite. I will check if they must install or it can be sent to a pro builder for the build. (I think I would buy extra springs just in case) 11 minutes ago, GlennWest said: 2 10k I/S or 3 7k I/S? Which would be better. Just thought I would throw a wrench in this discussion. I thinking on an upgrade down the road and pondering this I have heard thee tires make it harder to turn. True? You end up dragging two of the tires on parking turns? 20k seems overkill. Is it the builder that decided a payload weight? My truck is limmited anyways, so tow weight won't love extra a heavy suspension but payload would only increase. I was hoping for 2 8k units Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just for thought, I have just shy of 15k on axles. My Teton is close to 40'. 20K for Teton. Two 8k would not be good for us. Like to see more margin there Quote 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Saran Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 A little more info on what you are building, the size and weight would help with giving info & opinions. Are you building a tiny house on a trailer or what? Quote Phil & Alberta Saran 2019 Keystone Cougar 30RLS 2012 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4 diesel Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlcarsonak Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 After having both, two and three axles I will choose three. 1) lighter weight rating to get the same GVRW. Lighter spring = less shock. 5 tires holding trailer when one hits a unlevelled part of the road. 2) how much time and distance do you use backing into a space? The scrubbing of three axles is so minimal. Look at semi's. many of then have 10 feet between the trailer axles. I have heard many good things about MorRide I/S. I just picked Dexter. It is your choice. This is a good thread. Quote Glyn (KL0PG) & Diane Carson2002 I-H 4400 Papa's Dream (Mama's Nightmare)2015 Space Craft V400Furkid Maxemail: dlcarsonak@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Chance Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 You don't say what size/weight of rig but, having owned Lippert and Dexter solid axle systems and the MOR/ryde independent suspension, the MOR/ryde is heads and shoulders above the other systems. Better ride, dampened, and fully alignable. Rob Quote 2012 F350 CC LB DRW 6.7 2020 Solitude 310GK-R, MORryde IS, disc brakes, solar, DP windows Full-time since 8/2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 2:29 PM, Phil Saran said: A little more info on what you are building, the size and weight would help with giving info & opinions. Are you building a tiny house on a trailer or what? Sorry, it's going to be a custom built horse trailer in steel. Only wider/taller and lighter construction as not needed to carry horses. I am still open to design options. We talk about it here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Second Chance said: You don't say what size/weight of rig but, having owned Lippert and Dexter solid axle systems and the MOR/ryde independent suspension, the MOR/ryde is heads and shoulders above the other systems. Better ride, dampened, and fully alignable. Rob I have a 2002 f350 7.3 it says I can tow about 13k sticker says gvwr 9900lb book says (it doesn't show the 7.3 but the 6.8 shows) with 5th wheel: Max gcwr: 20,000lb max trailer weight 13,700lb if someone knows specific 7.3 rates I would love them. I have heard the truck can handle a lot more then they say. So I don't mind maxing the legal limit but I don't want to exceed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Looking at the moryde. It seems like it would distribute stress to the trailer the best. Torque system (2axle) would distribute to 4 x 10-14" points. Spring system adds more contact points 6-8 mount points 3-5" long but spread out farther on the trailer. Moryde seems similar to torque but also soaks up shock a lot better and doesn't transfer load to one side as much. That seems like it would help keep the trailer build in one piece a lot longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfaa Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Mor Ryde IS system. Quote Helen and I are long timers ..08 F-350 Ford,LB,CC,6.4L,4X4, Dually,4:10 diff dragging around a 2013 Montana 3402 Big Sky SKP 100137. North Ridgeville, Ohio in the summer, sort of and where ever it is warm in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Chance Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 23 hours ago, Leftishut said: I have a 2002 f350 7.3 it says I can tow about 13k sticker says gvwr 9900lb book says (it doesn't show the 7.3 but the 6.8 shows) with 5th wheel: Max gcwr: 20,000lb max trailer weight 13,700lb if someone knows specific 7.3 rates I would love them. I have heard the truck can handle a lot more then they say. So I don't mind maxing the legal limit but I don't want to exceed it. It's not so much the engine and transmission - although those matter. The GCWR and max trailer weight are important, but not exceeding the rear axle and tire ratings is most critical. That info should be on your door sticker and you can find out what the truck actually weighs at the local CAT scales. Yours is a custom build, but most standard fifth wheels weigh in loaded with about 23% of the total weight on the pin. Rob Quote 2012 F350 CC LB DRW 6.7 2020 Solitude 310GK-R, MORryde IS, disc brakes, solar, DP windows Full-time since 8/2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftishut Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 So 9900lbs - truck weight loaded with fuel and family = Y Y x 4.34 = total trailer weight that can be carried safely and legally. I want to set my max for a stock 2002 f350 and then if I upgrade truck in anyway that will just be extra safety margin. I guess I need a scale. I was thinking about putting an aluminum flatbed on her so I can increase payload and design the over truck section of trailer with more room for our closet (which is going to be roll out closet from that over bed section). Plus while doing relief work a flat bed will be better for hauling pallets. But that may give us a little more pin weight assuming the bed would be lighter than stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Welcome to the Escapees open forums! You would probably get more and better responses if you were to start a new thread and also give more specific questions. Quote Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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