agesilaus Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 60 million dollar fine while they hauled in multiples of that while lying to 'unlimited' customers about data throttling: https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/301540-att-rewarded-with-60m-fine-after-lying-to-customers-about-mobile-data-throttling I think they deliberately throttled my DSL line while trying to force us to their new WIFI service. I moved to Visible instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray,IN Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 According to CBS news tonight you will likely get reimbursed from AT&T, about $2 for throttling your service. Quote 2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA ." And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 This wasn't about DSL, only mobile data. I've never heard any allegations of throttling DSL. What wifi service do they offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Carlos said: This wasn't about DSL, only mobile data. And I believe that it only applies to customers who were paying for unlimited data services. Quote Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agesilaus Posted November 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 No but I've seen several other articles talking about AT&T's misdeeds. We have had plenty of problems with them 'slamming' our account. Adding services that we never wanted or authorized. And I just saw one saying that they just added $10/mo to peoples 'unlimited' account bills while adding some extra capacity. Users cannot refuse this 'bonus'. My wife called to ask them if we could put our DSL on 'vacation hold' for a month. They said no and if we stopped it that would be the end of it they would not restart it. I wanted to keep it available while we tried out Visible, just in case. Visible has been great so far, I'm over 50GB right now and no signs of any slow down. I'm not sure what their WIFI service is, I never really looked at their literature that they send us every few days. My daughter got it tho and has been happy with it so far as I know. AT&T installs a WIFI antenna and router I believe but again I don't know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemsteadc Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 The usual gotcha with cheaper 'unlimited' internet is coverage. How does Visible stack up there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agesilaus Posted November 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 Uses the Verizon network so far as I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 Yes, Visible is a Verizon prepaid brand that offers unlimited talk, text, and data with clearly spelled out limitations for a low all in monthly fee. Quote Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 Many people mean different things by "coverage." In the literal sense of how much signal is available over an area, Visible is exactly the same as Verizon. Calls and texts will be identical. Data signal coverage is identical, but the actual data transport is de-prioritized and almost everyone else on the network gets higher priority. This means slow/jittery data during congestion on the particular cell site you're using. We use Verizon's own brand of prepaid, which has higher priority than Visible users, but lower than postpaid customers. We pay $85/mo for two devices with 15GB each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemsteadc Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Carlos said: Many people mean different things by "coverage." In the literal sense of how much signal is available over an area, Visible is exactly the same as Verizon. Calls and texts will be identical. Data signal coverage is identical, but the actual data transport is de-prioritized and almost everyone else on the network gets higher priority. Thanks. What I meant was, will I receive a signal the 'same' in all locations that I do with Verizon? And yes, something has to give, because it doesn't make any sense that another provider (or plan) who's using the Verizon towers would provide the exact same service for less. Otherwise, Verizon would be doing it. I pay a premium for my 26gig no-throttling Hotspot and excellent coverage. Of course I'm always on the lookout for cheaper, but not at the expense of my service. Edited November 11, 2019 by hemsteadc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 Visible is fully owned by Verizon themselves, but legally run as an MVNO. Same with Cricket and AT&T. You will absolutely receive the same radio signal coverage with Visible as with Verizon. Part of what "gives" is that Visible and direct prepaid customers get a different support group, which may not be as great, and they get de-prioritized data. I've never had issues with customer service using direct prepaid Verizon. And while it's already cheap, I pick up top-off cards on eBay for around another 30% off retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Schneider Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Carlos said: Many people mean different things by "coverage." In the literal sense of how much signal is available over an area, Visible is exactly the same as Verizon. Calls and texts will be identical. You will absolutely receive the same radio signal coverage with Visible as with Verizon. Not really. Yes, Visible radio signal coverage is the same as regular Verizon coverage in areas served by Verizon owned towers, which is the majority of the country. But there are large areas where Verizon relies on third party towers for coverage. Verizon calls these areas Extended Network and they aren't available to Visible customers. Extended Network areas show up as Pink vs. Red on the Verizon Coverage Map. Scroll down to the zoomable Interactive Map, not the sales photo. Notice there's large areas of Pink (Extended Network 4G) and smaller areas of Grey (Extended Network 3G) in several states including Alaska, Utah, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, etc. They are shown as No Coverage white areas on the Visible Coverage Map. Verizon phones will work in these areas, Visible phones won't. Visible coverage also stops at the US borders unlike Verizon which has Extended Coverage using third party towers in Canada and Mexico. Edited November 11, 2019 by Lou Schneider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agesilaus Posted November 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 IIRC this whole Viable situation came about as the result of a settlement with the anti-trust people over a merger Verizon was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray,IN Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 This is somewhat off-topic, but a Verizon rep told me that contract Verizon customers are first in line on cell towers, if the capacity becomes full, prepaid Verizon, no-contract customers are bumped off the tower. Non-Verizon cell-phone companies are first to be bumped off though. Quote 2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA ." And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 I'm not sure how you're defining "bumped off the tower", but I've never been dropped by a Verizon tower while using either direct prepaid or currently Visible prepaid service. Slowed down, yes, but dropped? No... Quote Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Ray,IN said: This is somewhat off-topic, but a Verizon rep told me that contract Verizon customers are first in line on cell towers, if the capacity becomes full, prepaid Verizon, no-contract customers are bumped off the tower. Non-Verizon cell-phone companies are first to be bumped off though. Not true at all, not even a little bit. See my post about data prioritization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray,IN Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Carlos said: Not true at all, not even a little bit. See my post about data prioritization. Please post a link to your source, I'd like to know for sure. I only know what I was told, bumped was the wrong word I apologize for that. I should have said lowest priority for service, and when the tower is full Verizon contract accounts receive priority over all others. This is off-topic anyway, I apologize for that also. Edited November 13, 2019 by Ray,IN Quote 2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA ." And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 Data is deprioritized. Again, I covered it in careful detail before in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray,IN Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Carlos said: Data is deprioritized. Again, I covered it in careful detail before in this thread. I understand that, if you cannot provide a link, please point me to your source so I may return to that Verizon rep and show him the proof he is wrong, otherwise it is your word against his and he is a company rep. Edited November 13, 2019 by Ray,IN Quote 2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA ." And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 I don't have links for you. I have worked in telecom for three decades and study this stuff all the time, but have no reason to save any links and sources. You can certainly google it and find the answers. I wouldn't bother wasting time training Verizon store people for them, there are 100k more idiots like him at other stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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