Danandfreda Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 We have a new fifth wheel with a magnum msh 3012m hybrid inverter/charger. The first couple of days the charger worked and everything was fine line 1&2 both have 122 volts coming in and no errors. We ran off the batteries Friday night to try them out (6-100 a/h battle born lithium) with gas furnaces on. Woke up Saturday to no 12volt or 110. Had to put a charger on batteries and reset the inverter then the charger started and thought it was ok until we get it looked at Monday. Charger worked until early afternoon then it shut off and went to inverting. When I shut the inverter off to run off shore power it doesn’t let it pass through the inverter. Now when the inverter is on it is running power to the dishwasher that is not wired to the inverter sub panel. If I turn of power to the inverter and reset it will charge for a couple minutes then shut off. Thinking a bad inverter. Anybody have similar problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 I once had a floating neutral those here called it. The problem was intermittent. Turned out there was a shorting taking place in my electric cord reel which would show up some times and not others. Obviously something should not run that is not intended to be in the circuit. The 3012 hybrid qualifies electricity before it lets it through. That is what is happening during the delay before you plug to shore power and it kicks on. If it sees something it doesn’t like it will not allow the charger to operate and it will not pass through current. So yes the 3012 could have a problem in doing checks OR there could be a problem. The first thing I would do is get a multimeter and check the shore power and the power at your main box. I would switch sources of shore power since that could be causing the issue. If the problem is still there you will know the problem is from your electrical cord in. I don’t know enough to be of more help. You may be able to find my old posts when people were guiding me through this problem. Try my user name and neutral. Hopefully, John, Kirk and the other experts will be by to give you some of their expertise. Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 I am thinking they have something miswired and the Magnum is shutting down to protect itself. It could be the Magnum but they are tanks. Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Thank you I will check the power pedestal but all is new this year and there have not been problems but there is always a first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Start at the pedestal, then work your way up the chain. Check output of the cord, pull the power inlet and test there. If you still have issues, time to dig deeper. You may have a transfer switch to find, you definitely have connections inside the Magnum, as well as the panel. The dishwasher is a troubling symptom. ETA: when I say check for power, I mean check all the leads. You want to see 120v from both hots to neutral, as well as ground. You also want 240 between the hots. Edited December 13, 2020 by Darryl&Rita Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Ok will check the progressive industries power monitor is reading 121-123 on L1&2 no errors. The washer and dryer combo is not supposed to work on inverter either but tried today and it worked. Didn’t pull any amps on the inverter readout but when it started drying it pulled 9 amps on the power monitor which means it is bypassing the inverter. Another thing we noticed is that the lights flicker just a little when the water pump is on. Thanks Darryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 More connections to check, then. Hit the output of the Progressive, it seems to be eliminating the connections between it and the pedestal. While metering, give each wire a tug, too. Of course, tug after Freda turns the power off. Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Yes, is this an outdoor or indoor progressive? Next stop would probably the transfer switch (if you have generator or are generator ready) a frequent source of problems, and then to the main ac panel. All the wires in your ac panel need to be confirmed as tight. I also am still really stumped on the washer dryer. Do you know the location of the washer dryer breaker in the subpanel? Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) I am also curious how 6 Battleborns ran down overnight. That is 600 amps. Have you checked the voltage on them? Do you have a separate charger or were you able to get the Magnum Charger to work? Edited December 13, 2020 by Daveh Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, Daveh said: I am also curious how 6 Battleborns ran down overnight. That is 600 amps. Have you checked the voltage on them? Do you have a separate charger or were you able to get the Magnum Charger to work? I was biting my tongue on that bit. Was going to get power back, first. I doubt it got that cold in Kansas, that the furnace ran all night. Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Right and if you ran it in gas it would only be the fan electric and your fridge? But 600 amps is a LOT. At least they are protected by their BMS but I wonder if one or more of them has shut down? Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Used a separate charger to get it going then it started charging. It’s in the upper 20’s at night the they have the basement plenty warm. The remote readout said dead batteries. I didn’t think it would run down that fast either. The power coming in at the post is right on with the power monitor. New horizon is coming to look at it tomorrow. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Need to check each battery maybe have a bad one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertMiner Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Please let us know what they find, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Yes please let us know. Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemsteadc Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Not sure if your PI tells you this, but for future problems, install a Victron battery monitor (or eq) so you know exactly what's going in an coming out. Edited December 14, 2020 by hemsteadc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, hemsteadc said: Not sure if your PI tells you this, but for future problems, install a Victron battery monitor (or eq) so you know exactly what's going in an coming out. Yes with the system he is describing I would be surprised if he doesn't have that but, if not, he definitely should. Then he would know the exact amp hour situation on the Battleborns. The more I think about this the more I suspect bad settings on the Magnum and then the BMSs on the Battleborns shutting down which then shut down the 12 volt system which in turn shut down the Magnum. I think the Battleborns may have been doing much more than working that single night. The Magnum needs to see batteries. I suspect the washer-dryer issue is a red herring and due to a misunderstanding. We all know how hard it is to figure out a brand new unit. Anyway, it could be a multitude f things so I hope he solves the mystery for us. Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Danandfreda said: Need to check each battery maybe have a bad one Right and if it got really cold maybe the cold protection on the batteries kicked in and shut them down? So many possibilities. Quote Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark&Bonnie Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Dan. Did New Horizons figure anything out today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 We just got back from getting the truck and it’s working now with the inverter off. They have the 2 solar breakers out so I’m guessing it’s something in that but things are working now. Will wait to see what he says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark&Bonnie Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Cool. Congratulations on getting the truck. Cant wait to see it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 We just got back from getting the truck and it’s working now with the inverter off. They have the 2 solar breakers out so I’m guessing it’s something in that but things are working now. Will wait to see what he says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Will send pictures tomorrow. Using convection micro and 110 and it’s by passing through so things are ok now. He has some things to look at tomorrow he said but mostly he said settings were off on the controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itinerant1 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Going on 5 years of these settings with our Magnum 3012 inverter and me-arc 50 using these settings with 500ah GBS & 1,280w solar. System has been on 24 /7/ 365 with over 1,640 cycles on batteries of 35-45% DOD in various psoc. Boondocking 98% of the time. Favorites (can be changed to personal taste)F1_ Bat amps - PT ADC (present be produced)F2_ AC output - 121 VAC/ 60.0 HZF3_ AC input - Amps= 30a (adjustable with incoming power)F4_ Load amps - 0 amps AC F5_ AC Amps - -2 ampsCRTL01_ AC in Control - Auto Connect02_ CHG Control - Multi Stage03_ Gen Control - Off04_ PT Control• a_ PT Chg CTRL 1 - Multi Stage• b_ PT Aux Relay - Control= Disengage• c_ PT Alarm - Control= Off• d_ PT Mppt Ctrl - 15 min sweepMETERInverting_ DC (present time reading)01 DC Meters• a_ DC volts (present time reading)• b_ DC amps (present time reading)02 AC Meters• a_ AC output (present time reading)• b_ Load amps (present time reading)• c_ Input AC (present time reading)• d_ Inv/ Chg amps (present time reading)• e_ Input AC1 (present time reading)SET UP 01 System Set up • a_ Set Clock• b_ Screen set up (press select) _ Brightness (50%), Contrast (100%), Power save (1 min)• c_ Temp select - Fahrenheit • d_ Max charge- Amps 200 adc• e _ Link PT Chg - setting - yes02 Inverting/ Inverter set up• a_ Search watts - Off• b_ LBCO setting - 12.0 vdc• c_ AC In time - 6:00am-6:00pm• d_ AC In VDC - 11.O-14.1 vdc• e_ AC In SOC - 80%-100% SOC• f_ Power up - Always offSET UP INVERTING03 Charger Set up• a_ AC Input - Amp= (can be set to available shore power/ generator incoming power)• b_ VAC Drop out - 80 VAC• c_ Battery type - Custom (with in here absorb voltage can be adjusted) • d_ Absorb done - Time= 0.1 hrs (minimum, can't be turned off) • e_ Max charge - Rate= 100%• f_ Max charge - Time= 12.0 hrs• g_ Final charge - Stage= Multi• h_ EQ Reminder - Days= Off04 AGS SET UP - No AGS Present 05 BMK SET UP - No BMK Present06 PT SET UP (Magnum pt controller follows Magnum inverter settings)• a_ Battery Type - Linked• b_ Absorb Done - Linked• c_ Maxed Charge - Rate= 100%• d_ Max Charge - Time= 12.0 hrs• e_ Bulk Start (press select) - select Bulk Start, Daily / sun up= yes- set Bulk Start, Volts= 12.0- set Bulk Start, SOC= 80%• f _ PT Aux Relay - 10.0 to 14.0• g_ PT Alarm - 10.0 to 14.0• h_ Power Save PT - Display= 15 minTECH01 Temperatures (press select_ scroll)- Inv BTS (present time reading)- Inv TFMER (present time reading)- Inv FET'S (present time reading)- AGS Sensor 0ff- ACLD Temp 32f- PT BTS (present time reading)- PT Inductor (present time reading)02 Versions (press select_ scroll)- Inverter: 1.2- Remote: 4.0- AGS: 0.0- Router: 0.0- ACLD: 0.0- PT: 1.103 Inv Model - MSH3012H (3000w hybrid)04 Fault History 05 Set up pin06 Ext Control - No ext control07 Show all - Menus= No08 Load DefaultsThe following parameters are for programming the ME-ARC Version 4 advanced control.Setup 02B LBCO Setting: Volts = 12.0Setup 03C Battery Type: = CustomSet Absorb Volts: = 14.1v or 14.2v (depending on season)Set Float Volts: = 13.6Set EQ Volts: = 14.1Set EQ Done Time: = 0.1Setup 03D Absorb Done Time: = 0.1 (minimum) Setup 03E Max Charge Rate: = 100%Setup 03G Final Charge Stage: = Float With Battleborn you would probably have to raise absorb higher (14.4 -14.6) for their cell balancing. Edited December 17, 2020 by Itinerant1 Quote 2016 F350 DRW Supercab XLT 4x4 6.7 3:73LS 2010 Carriage Cameo 34CK3 1,280 watt solar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danandfreda Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Thanks I will check the settings. They were set wrong but it’s working now but I will go over it that’s a big help I will save the post. Your set up sounds like ours but with one less battery. Does the solar keep it charged most of the time or do you have a generator too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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